Bernie Sanders has spent a lifetime supporting gay rights. THAT cannot be said about any other candidate ... even Hillary did not support gay marriage back when Bill was in office.
Steve S Thank you for calling me out on that ... Bernie Sanders was not always for gay marriage. However, based on the articles below he was always ahead of Hillary Clinton on these issues.
I gave you a single URL that was directly relevant, but you're spamming me. A quick look shows that you're violating community rules with your last URL: it's scandal-mongering.
Steve S The articles I choose to make my point were from both the left and the right ... one could argue that there are biases on either side ... but when it comes to Hillary revising her own history they tend to agree. Just making my points using multiple sources ... I don't see how that is inappropriate. Sorry if you felt like I was spamming you. I made my point. You can have the last word ... I am out!
Dr. Steven Edgar No, they were just from the right. Lately, extremists on the left have taken to repeating the lies of the right. Buy a mirror and you'll understand.
On a side note, he spammed me with six links about the same thing, which is that Clinton explained her husband's DOMA and DADT support as rearguard actions to prevent a Constitutional amendment.
These appear to be copies of or derived from an AP article. That's why they quote the same words from the same few critics who refuse to accept Clinton's explanation.
Really, there was nothing added by spamming me with multiple links to what is essentially the same article. It's hard not to see it as an attempt to intimidate.
Of course, he could have linked to an article that reported what she said as opposed to focusing on a few critics. For example:
This would have let her explain herself in her own words instead of showing them only through the eyes of her critics. It would have been fair and reasonable. But that's not how he went.
As for the fuller context, we all know that the HRC endorsed Clinton, and that Sanders then included that organization in his axis of evil list of "establishment" progressive orgs that he, as a populist, necessarily opposed.
Wow, he never read those articles. The HuffPo one he posted first says: """ Well before the bill reached Clinton's desk, it was abundantly clear that a veto of the measure would be unsustainable. The president wasn't the only one to make this calculation. A month before DOMA passed the House, The New York Times reported on a fissure within the gay rights movement: One camp was committed to fighting DOMA, and the other argued for focusing on amendments to make it more palatable since it would pass anyway. """
In short, her critics are blaming her for what her husband did decades ago, despite knowing that a veto would only have been overturned. What dicks!
If Trump wins, he's going to have to go gay. To avoid boring us.
ReplyDeleteLily Cosgrove No, he's not a particularly good supporter of gay rights, either.
ReplyDeleteSteve S Pant suits are boring.
ReplyDeleteBoring but actually interested in helping people, or less boring in one way but part of an establishment built on exploiting people. Your pick.
ReplyDeleteBernie Sanders has spent a lifetime supporting gay rights. THAT cannot be said about any other candidate ... even Hillary did not support gay marriage back when Bill was in office.
ReplyDeleteSteve S Thank you for calling me out on that ... Bernie Sanders was not always for gay marriage. However, based on the articles below he was always ahead of Hillary Clinton on these issues.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-doma_us_562e7dcae4b0c66bae58eb2e
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/29/chuck-todd/nbcs-chuck-todd-bernie-sanders-there-same-sex-marr/
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/bernie-sanders-was-full-gay-equality-40-years-ago
http://news.yahoo.com/explains-lgbt-divide-between-hillary-155300579.html
Dr. Steven Edgar Difference is, she doesn't lie by backdating her beliefs. That's why she's not a hypocrite and he is.
ReplyDeleteSteve S I beg to differ ...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.businessinsider.com/fact-check-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-revised-history-a-bit-in-the-debate-2015-10
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-26/hillary-clinton-accused-of-revising-history-on-defense-of-marriage-act
http://www.advocate.com/election/2015/10/26/more-activists-dispute-hillary-clintons-doma-history
http://americablog.com/2015/10/clinton-called-out-for-whitewashing-defense-of-marriage-act-history.html
http://www.hannity.com/articles/election-493995/even-bernie-sanders-is-calling-out-14067948/
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/10-scandals-involving-hillary-clinton-you-may-have-forgotten#.gxlnqah:6iKY
I gave you a single URL that was directly relevant, but you're spamming me. A quick look shows that you're violating community rules with your last URL: it's scandal-mongering.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the second-to-last is from, of all people, Sean Hannity. Do you work for the GOP? No? Then why are you spreading their lies?
ReplyDeleteSteve S The articles I choose to make my point were from both the left and the right ... one could argue that there are biases on either side ... but when it comes to Hillary revising her own history they tend to agree. Just making my points using multiple sources ... I don't see how that is inappropriate. Sorry if you felt like I was spamming you. I made my point. You can have the last word ... I am out!
ReplyDeleteDr. Steven Edgar No, they were just from the right. Lately, extremists on the left have taken to repeating the lies of the right. Buy a mirror and you'll understand.
ReplyDeleteOn a side note, he spammed me with six links about the same thing, which is that Clinton explained her husband's DOMA and DADT support as rearguard actions to prevent a Constitutional amendment.
ReplyDeleteThese appear to be copies of or derived from an AP article. That's why they quote the same words from the same few critics who refuse to accept Clinton's explanation.
Really, there was nothing added by spamming me with multiple links to what is essentially the same article. It's hard not to see it as an attempt to intimidate.
Of course, he could have linked to an article that reported what she said as opposed to focusing on a few critics. For example:
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2015/10/24/clinton-says-dont-ask-doma-were-defensive-actions/
This would have let her explain herself in her own words instead of showing them only through the eyes of her critics. It would have been fair and reasonable. But that's not how he went.
As for the fuller context, we all know that the HRC endorsed Clinton, and that Sanders then included that organization in his axis of evil list of "establishment" progressive orgs that he, as a populist, necessarily opposed.
Wow, he never read those articles. The HuffPo one he posted first says:
ReplyDelete"""
Well before the bill reached Clinton's desk, it was abundantly clear that a veto of the measure would be unsustainable. The president wasn't the only one to make this calculation. A month before DOMA passed the House, The New York Times reported on a fissure within the gay rights movement: One camp was committed to fighting DOMA, and the other argued for focusing on amendments to make it more palatable since it would pass anyway.
"""
In short, her critics are blaming her for what her husband did decades ago, despite knowing that a veto would only have been overturned. What dicks!